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    AmandaFeb 21, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    I’m commenting on this so that you know a) I didn’t write any of those other comments, though one bears my first name and another sounds like a lot of stuff I would say b) I didn’t read any of these comments before I wrote my article, despite the fact that it would seem like I wrote my article ON one of these comments and c) I forgot this was the title of yours, so while I meant mine as a response, I didn’t actually mean for it to be quite so direct. Anyway.

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    Brendan BurkeJan 31, 2013 at 2:27 am

    So first you argue: “Frequently, those with strong convictions are condemned as…closed-minded.”
    But then proclaim: “The counter-protesters dismiss the pro-life argument as entirely illegitimate and without reason or value, displaying a true abandonment of open-mindedness.”

    I don’t see how you could have contradicted yourself more. Are you not condemning these individuals as closed-minded for sharing their strong convictions?

    Certainly there are other ways of communicating a pro-choice perspective, but these signs are much closer to promoting dialogue than your silence. To quote this article, “Taking a public stand, rather than passive acquiescence, is more open-minded, because it invites genuine dialogue.”

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    N/A-JPC you know who this isJan 31, 2013 at 12:55 am

    Those three signs do NOT represent the pro-choice movement. No reasonable person is pro-abortion. We are pro-choice because we believe a woman has the right, I repeat the constitutional right under Roe v. Wage and reaffirmed under Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992), to make the decision as to whether to get an abortion or not.

    If this country was based on the separation of church and state, then why is a church teaching (life begins at conception) being the central aspect of any pro-life legislation enacted by the federal/state government. We pro-choicers believe that abortion should be safe, legal and rare because we do not agree with the Christian teaching that life begins at conception and because a woman should be able to control her own body.

    Pro-lifers care more about a fetus, whose status as life is debated to this day, then actual babies who are born, or the life of the mother who has to give birth. Pro-lifers (conservatives) support cutting funding for childcare, children’s health care, welfare, and other anti-poverty and social net legislation. Yet, they continue to insist that any child born to any woman (Even if most abortions happen to underprivileged poor women) have the potential to go far. THAT IS FALSE. Babies born in poverty-stricken families, the people who are most affected by pro-life legislation are over 50% more likely to go into crime and resort to welfare to survive.

    Also, being pro-choice does not mean I am anti pro-life. I support life. I support the life of a women. I support the right of a woman to make her own decision. Do not portray yourself and your movement as victims. You all have caused millions of women to give birth to babies that they cannot feed, support and pay for. Your pro-life policies have caused millions of women to ruin their lives because they are forced to go to back-alley abortions and other unsafe measures because women are denied this right.

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      AmandaJan 31, 2013 at 7:26 pm

      Check out atheists for life, and other secular-ists for life. The whole “life begins at conception” is not solely a church teaching. And good thing, out of all the women who get abortions, most of them are actually middle class, educated women. Not the poor. Because the poor WANT their children. Please stop pushing for abortion to be readily available to the poor when its not them who are frequently seeking/getting one.

      “Pro-lifers care more about a fetus, whose status as life is debated to this day, then actual babies who are born, or the life of the mother who has to give birth.”
      There’s no debate as to where life begins. We know, and science tells us, that once egg and sperm meet, a new human life is created. His/her (gender is determined within 3 days) DNA is completely unique from the mother’s and the father’s, therefore, a fetus is NOT part of the woman’s body like a kidney is. The fetus is a separate body from that of the mother’s with unique DNA and its own body.

      As for the conservative pro-life view, that I don’t agree with, meaning I agree with not cutting education child care and welfare.

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